Commentaries from ATV grant recipients regarding public trail usage and related costs of operation of a private ATV trail park By
Majestic Kamp and
Lost Trails (bio)

To Joe Public,

We just read your input on complaints about the grants that were awarded. I agree with you to a point. Just a thought, do these people who are complaining, realize that the grants awarded are only 80% of project? If they do, where do they think the 20% is going to come from? Do they think that people are just going to put up 20% out of the goodness of their heart so that ATVers can ride for free? ($100,000 Grant requires a $25,000 contribution)

We have started our own trail system and I can tell you 1st hand that it is an expensive venture, not to mention all the hard work! We have heard comments like: "You mean you are going to charge people to ride on your land?"

Please Read the 29 items below so that you and others can understand more about OHV park owners or just a landowners view):

1st - You find a piece of property that you like and might be able to afford (whether it be an investment or property to build your new home site)

2 - You go to the bank to finance the property

3 - You try to keep up with the mortgage payment

4 - You try to pay the taxes on the property on time as they keep going up!

5 - You get insurance on your property to cover your "A..." if someone sues you because they are careless and get hurt while riding their ATV on your posted property. You still have to defend yourself in court (attorneys average rate here is $150/hr.). You post "No Trespassing" to discourage people from riding on you property and they tear down the signs and continue to ride anyway. (Their reasoning "we have ridden here for years") There are a lot of riders who do not care that you want privacy on your own property.

6 - You build your dream home in the middle of the woods - VERY SECLUDED - Now you have to worry about your belongings disappearing from your own property or just being destroyed. It is unlikely they get caught because of the Seclusion. You have at least 10-20 riders driving by your house on any given day and when you are out there, they don't even have the courtesy to slow down let alone stop to visit, even if it is to say "Hi, my name is Joe, I am your new neighbor, I live just … from here……"

7 - Timber-land owners (type of land that most ATVer's prefer) also have had problems in the past with "TIMBER THIEFS". They cut veneer trees down and cut the logs into 4' lengths and skid them out with their 4-wheelers. One tree could be worth $5,000! The thief's don't take the cheep logs. The more powerful the ATVs, the larger load that can be hauled at one time?

8 - Not to mention the damage (ruts mainly) down access roads or on trails that the bikes make. The DCNR comes in and fines you because of the soil & sediment erosion.

9 - You decide to open up your property into a place that the public can ride "legally" and enjoy the great outdoors -after all- this is your favorite sport and the whole family enjoys it so much.

10 - You hire a dozer to do some work for you, if costs you $4,500. The contractor is fired, as work was not progressing the way you were told it would. You still have to pay the $4,500.

11 - You decide to hold off on building your new house. You buy a Dozer & Backhoe ($100,000 investment) so that you can build ATV trails that are in high demand. You settle for used equipment as new is way out of your price range. "Your new House can wait another 5-years till Dozer & Backhoe are paid off"????? Big decision dig into your saving for the down payment and pray that you can keep up with the payment in addition to your current mortgage and taxes on the land.

12 - You spend every spare moment after work till dark, every weekend, day light to dark running dozer - clearing trails. Work on the home front is put off till next year. Kids want to know why you are always working?? You know kids; parents should always be doing fun things with them instead of working!!

13 - You start a corporation for the new trail system (almost $1,000 later you have a full fledged corporation).

14 - The county comes in and increases your property taxes to double of what you were paying - as you are changing the use of your land!

15 - You have a neighbor that lives in a junkyard and is now complaining about noise & dust!

16 - You re-route the entry of your trailhead as to try and not bother the junkyard neighbor.
(Ya-know, just to try and keep the peace so he doesn't try to stop everything total).


17 - You spend your whole summer building trails. Most of it a new experience but enjoyable - body out of shape but get into shape after many, many backaches.

18 - Finally - after putting in approximately 20-miles of trails you decide you better try a dice run to see how it goes. You are now into late September.

19 - You have your 1st dice run. You make and hand out flyers. You have no prior knowledge of the Internet to pass the word. 45 - riders come and ride (8-dark). Every rider filled out questionnaires. Not ONE Complaint - all were VERY PLEASED with conditions of trails and signage. We asked how we could better our trails: 99.9% said don't change them - they are GREAT the way they are. Could however make it longer. One trail (easier = 7 miles), 2nd trail (more difficult 10 miles). Things went real well and all the riders were GREAT PEOPLE! We really enjoyed meeting with these people. No trail crossed each other, complete circle, no 2-way travel, no paved road and very little logging roads. WOW - you felt great - you are actually doing a good job and you have never done this before and people really liked what you have done!


20 - You have your 2nd dice run - another successful day. You had 49 riders; again, ALL were great people to ride with. Most rode very responsible.

21 - You decide since people had so much fun, you decide to leave the trails open year round (weekends only) as you have to work during the week. You now have plans to expand the trail system to at least 30-miles by end of next season hoping you have enough income to cover costs of building the trails. You also would like to build a motor cross track, put in facilities at trailhead and build campsites (you think to yourself - Where will the money come from?)

22 - Winter now sits in and you can relax till weather breaks. Then all hell breaks loose at work and you end up working 24/7 during winter.

23 - BEST ONE OF ALL - You find out in January that there were grants available for businesses to build ATV Trails etc..... Why didn't you know about that!..... Man you could have had a good start on your plans and maybe done more than you planned ~ if only YOU would have known! ...

24 - You now know about the Internet. You get to know several sites where you can talk and read about what is really going on in the ATV arena (thank you ATV riders, as they are the ones that told you about it). You meet several GOOD people on the Internet and many that are willing to help you. It is a good feeling!…

25 - You start thinking; maybe you can apply for a grant next year - Great idea. With the grant money you can do so much more and faster. People can then ride and not have to pay. You don't care where the money comes from to pay the bills, as long as the bills get paid.

26 - You start doing research on it; you find out that a grant is only awarded at the 80% level. You still have to come up with the 20%. Oh well, 80% is still better than nothing. Maybe I can still get everything done with another loan and maybe not charge as much if we didn't have the grant.

27 - NOW, developments being read on the Internet after grant awards were announced. It seems all of the ATVer's are mad and are going to try and change the grant process because they don't want the grant money to go to any one that is going to charge a fee to ride! WOW! Another hope looks like it is diminishing for our trail system. Isn't it ironic, even the ANF has to charge a fee for trail maintenance and look how much money they have!

28 - You now sit back and wonder if the grant application and all the Bull… are worth going through. Maybe your idea was a wrong one; maybe a trail system like you have planned is not what the ATVer's want.

29 - Do you still pursue the grant application process (which I'm sure it will take at least $2,000 and lots of time & effort) just to comply with the entire regulations etc. only to find out that the money will not be available to you as you are a "For Profit Corporation" or that you will not be able to charge fees to cover your expenses.


Other Pennsylvania Private Pay to ride sites

  • Allegheny National Forest - $35.00 a-yr
  • Paragon $15.00 a day - $25.00 a weekend
  • Jack Frost Mountain Motorsports Park $30.00 a day
  • Tower City $175 a year

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